[Mastwatch] Casual observations at Gunung Palung

Lisa M. Curran lmcurran at stanford.edu
Tue Aug 16 02:53:43 PDT 2011

Dear All, 
I have been monitoring phenology, biomass carbon betts outside gunung palumg with seedling measures fruitfall etc daily since 2004 w some matching measurements re gp. Peat meadures on all these same aspects also 2004- present too. My pheno in gp 1985-2002 is over but potentially able through students & NGOs I support to compile  coordinate datasets depending on effort involved. My Asian travel is definitely limited now. Life hit hard. 
Let me know what questions & interests folks have in a collaborative effort.

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Lisa M. Curran
Lcurran4 at gmail.com 
Lmcurran at Stanford.edu
Cell: 203-606-4513

On Aug 15, 2011, at 4:50 AM, "Serge Wich" <sergewich1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Marco,
> Thank you for letting us know about this project. It looks very interesting.
> I would certainly think it would be great if data could be on this site and
> instant maps could be made. Let's try to hear from more of the mastwatch
> readers and then see if we can make up a usable excel sheet for people to
> enter data on or something else that would be useful to enter data in and
> that is very easy and quick.
> Best wishes,
> Serge
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mastwatch-bounces at lists.phylodiversity.net
> [mailto:mastwatch-bounces at lists.phylodiversity.net] On Behalf Of Marco
> Visser
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:27 PM
> To: mastwatch at lists.phylodiversity.net
> Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual observations at Gunung Palung
> Dear Cam, Serge and others,
> I am currently developing a tree demography data server in
> collaboration with the Smithsonian and Radboud University
> (Netherlands) to host phenology data.
> The server will offer the ability to upload data to a mysql database,
> and interactive data analyses to users (it could therefore
> in theory display maps on demand - if these maps can be translated to
> R-code).
> I am willing to offer some server space for a Mastwatch dataset along
> the lines you describe (including a page to display information
> on current general flowering events/ maps).  There are quite a number of
> questions that could be answered if this data is uploaded frequently
> for a considerable amount of time.
> The beta testpage is up and running (http://tredd.science.ru.nl:8080).
> Please note that this page is under development and is far from its final
> form so please don't distribute the address beyond this list for now.
> Let me know if there is any interest,
> Marco Visser
> On 08/12/2011 09:05 PM, Serge Wich wrote:
>> Dear Cam et al,
>> Thank you for the update on the history of mastwatch. Yoour points about
> the
>> bias in the dataset are of course very true and we should certainly use
>> caution when using these observations. But as you say it would be
>> interesting to have them in a database. If we do that we can perhaps link
> it
>> to published literature and perhaps combine them in a useful way. Not sure
>> yet how, but it might be feasible. I could put things in a GIS layer if
> all
>> people that have contributed data would simply let me know the coordinates
>> of the area where they made the observations, the month and year and
> whether
>> it was flowering or fruiting. This would be less detailed than the
> database
>> form, but at least contain some info that might be useful. If people would
>> think they would be able to do this I can send out an excel file for this
>> and then later on send some maps with the data on it per year or
> something.
>> Then we can see if there is something in it for a short publication.
>> At the same time we could add a column to the excel worksheet where people
>> can add whether they are interested to receive the same datasheet every
> 3-4
>> months and then I can send it around every 3-4 months to those people.
> This
>> would be a relatively small effort since the only thing one would have to
> do
>> is copy down the line of the site and change the month and one per year
> the
>> year and tick a box of whether there is masting flower or fruiting or not.
>> We can add a comments column as well for people to add whatever extra info
>> they have on genera and species that are masting. If data come in every
> 3-4
>> months I can make a new map and send it out to everyone so people get a
> nice
>> update on where mast is and where there is no mast. If people like this
> idea
>> please let me know. Once we have a few years of data we can see if we can
>> make a more solid publication out of this in addition to perhaps a short
>> report to warm people up for the project.
>> Let me know what you think.
>> Best wishes,
>> Serge
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cam Webb [mailto:cwebb at oeb.harvard.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:30 AM
>> To: Serge Wich; mastwatch at lists.phylodiversity.net
>> Subject: Re: [Mastwatch] Casual observations at Gunung Palung
>> Dear Serge, All,
>>> I also have a question. With all the mast info from casual observations
>>> and phenology datasets I was wondering whether there is a sense in
>>> putting all of this in a database that is or is not spatially explicit
>>> and perhaps do some analyses on it. It would still be nice to understand
>>> more about masting and where it occurs and how synchronous it is over
>>> larger areas or what time-shifts are between areas. I have no idea how
>>> much data there are, but it might be something to try to do together?
>> To develop a common source of spatially explicit masting information was
>> the reason we started mastwatch in ca. 2002.  Mastwatch was originally a
>> community editable database of observations (see below for original site:
> http://web.archive.org/web/20020903150112/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast
>> watch/
> http://web.archive.org/web/20020718025948/http://www.phylodiversity.net/mast
>> watch/mastobs.html
>> ).  A few observations were contributed, including a large dump of data
>> from Shinya Numata's 2003 AJB paper, but mastwatch as a database wasn't a
>> great solution for social reasons (not much fun to participate in!).  In
>> 2007, I switched it to this mailing list, and we have now accumulated a
>> good set of observations over the past four and a half years (see
> http://lists.phylodiversity.net/pipermail/mastwatch-phylodiversity.net/
>> for the (public) list archives.  An email is easier to contribute than
>> formatted data, and more fun to read, but it is less likely that a free
>> text email will contain complete information for an analysis.  The other
>> obvious problem with using these data for analysis is that the data points
>> are very spatially skewed to sites where people have heard of this
>> project, and have some incentive to contribute observations.  A much
>> better strategy for the future would be to identify 15-20 sites where
>> there are people we know who are on email and are in the forest on a
>> regular basis, and who would respond to a request for masting observations
>> every 3-4 months. Anyone interested/have time to pursue this?
>> All this said, it would be great if someone wanted to go back through the
>> archives and wrangle the observations into a tabular format. Even if the
>> patterns emerging were not that satisfying, someone could still write up a
>> short paper with the data we do have simply to publicize the project and
>> recruit more observers.
>> Any other ideas on good ways to move forward with this project, other
>> than in its current form, which I hope will continue for years more.  And
>> thanks to everyone for sharing their masting news.  I for one really enjoy
>> reading these live `forest news bulletins.'
>> Best wishes from West Kalimantan,
>> Cam
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